Back to main EE page

Eliminating (non)-Evidence

Here's a poor sod who trusted EE, got his FAT tables blown out, then the EE guys basically brow-beat him to death over his request for a refund.

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:44:12 -0400
To: john@badtux.org
From: Scott [deleted for privacy]
Subject: Evidence Eliminator

Hi Eric,

This is a long story, but true!

My name is Scott [deleted for privacy]. I'm envious of your
programming expertise. I have a degree in electrical engineering, but
work on the hardware end of things.  Wish I'd gotten into computers in
the 70's instead of the 80's.

I would like to commend you for maintaining your web page. You are
doing what I see as a great service in exposing some really horrible
people over in the UK who are, IMHO, not fit to be in business, no
matter how well their product might work.

I thought you'd like to hear about my recent experience with these
people and their program. Feel free to use any or all of my story on
your site. It is completely true, and I would be happy to send you
copies of the email correspondence I have had with them.

First, let me say that I have VERY strong beliefs about personal
computer privacy and the freedom of intrusion by anyone; especially
Government snoops.  I'm not a prude, and have no problems with folks,
like myself, who wish to visit 'adult' sites and download legal
pictures.

BTW, there are only TWO groups of people who say they don't download
pictures of naked women off the internet.

1.  Gay men 
2.  Liars

Downloading and later erasing files did not, of course, completely
remove the files from my system. I was looking for a simple program to
automatically "wipe" the file after it was erased as well as wipe
unused disk space, internet cache, etc.  ( I have young children in
the home who are computer literate ! )

Evidence Eliminator's advertising promised to do this and more. So I
downloaded the program, sent them my Mastercard number, and obtained
the password to unlock the program.

I installed the program following their instructions to the
letter. When I ran the program I accepted their 'default' settings
(which I reviewed and deemed applicable to my situation). After
running the program, I discovered to my ABSOLUTE HORROR that it had
deleted the boot record on one of my two hard drives and erased both
copies of the file allocation table. This, of course, essentially
destroyed all the data on the drive.

In desperation, I sent an e-mail to their technical support people
asking for help. This was a bad experience that only added insult to
injury. When you go to their support page, they do everything they
can, in a VERY condescending manner to discourage you from asking for
help. You must first swear that you have read all their FAQ's,
"knowledge base" info, etc. You are then sent to another page that
says that if you INSIST on contacting a support engineer, you can
"click on the link below" , but that the problem is most likely that
you're too stupid to use the program correctly, or didn't follow
instructions, etc. (At least that's the way it sounded to me!). So, I
sent the e-mail.

That was, I believe, on a Friday. It took 4 days for them to get back
to me.  The jist of their response to my request for help was that it
was "impossible" for their program to have erased my hard drive, that
I might want to take my computer somewhere and have it fixed, or maybe
I could figure out how to run fdisk and check out the missing
partition. After going back and forth with them and getting nowhere, I
contacted a data recovery firm and was able to get back some of the
lost data that had not been backed up.

Then I asked them for a refund. This was even more humiliating. They
did everything they could to avoid refunding my money including
threats of incarceration in a federal penitentiary, homosexual and
physical abuse by guards and inmates, loss of my job, humiliation of
my family, etc. etc. When I refused to change my mind, they finally
vectored me to a page that stated that if I wanted a refund I would
have to download an executable file, FROM THEM, and run it on my
computer.  Ostensibly the purpose of this program was to render EE
useless on my computer.  Their program would then provide me with a
code number which proved I had deleted EE. Only after I gave them that
number would they refund my money. What do you think the chances were
of me running their little program after what EE had already done to
my system?

I called my bank had a brief and fruitful discussion about the
immediate chargeback that was going to be applied to my
Mastercard. This is how you deal with people like this.

So, I now have a fully operational copy of Evidence Eliminator that
they never got paid for. I relish in the thought that they must be
really pissed about that. It's just too bad that I will never trust
them or the program to ever use it. BTW, want the secret activation
code for EE? .... I didn't think so.

It's really too bad that this program doesn't safely and effectively
do what it claims. There is a real need in our society for a program
like this that WORKS!

Incidentally, I have checked the drive that was corrupted for physical
problems since I re-formatted it and found none.  I have run several
diagnostics and all pronounce it healthy. It has been performing
flawlessly for several weeks now, 24 hours a day.

I also considered that I might have picked up a virus, but I keep the
whole Mcaffee suite up and running at all times (with current updates)
and have never detected a virus (except when purposely testing Mcaffee
with their virus detection test file!)

I was concerned that I was crazy or made a mistake in using the
software, but it seems apparent that this is a disreputable company
who is preying on the paranoia of (mainly?) pedophiles and others to
sell a dangerous and unreliable product.

Interestingly, I noted that several "big name" internet sites have
reviewed this software and had some positive things to say about
it. While searching for EE info on ZDNET, I came across a review from
someone who said they had experienced the IDENTICAL problem that I
had. They lost a whole slew of MP3 files, etc from their hard drive
after running the program and strongly advised against anyone using
it.

I also considered another possibility: that this firm might purposely
have written software that destroys drives on which it finds jpg files
with names that it deems "immoral". Wouldn't it be interesting if it
turned out that for all their "disinformation" campaigning it was
actually THEY who were acting in the interest of the Government
selling a program to rid the world of pornography?  Food for thought!

I wish you luck in giving these turkeys
what they deserve!

Regards, 

Scott

So did he make a mistake running the program, or not? Does it really matter? The most important part of customer service is the word service, which does not mean "what a stallion does to a mare". By acting arrogantly and unprofessionally and accusing him of being incompetent -- which may or may not be true, but that's irrelevant, you just don't SAY that to a customer -- they took someone who could have been one of their supporters, and made him into one of their enemies. Andy and friends don't need Three Letter Agencies to have enemies, they create their own enemies through their own arrogance and lack of professionalism.

I've had some boobs send me questions over the years -- like, did I ever tell you of the school secretary who just could not get the disk to go into her floppy drive, and it turned out that the problem was that she was putting it in backwards? (Her exact words were, Oh! Nobody ever told me that the slidey window thing was supposed to go in FIRST!). Do you think I brow-beat her and accused her of being incompetent? Of course not! I spent time with her on the phone trying to figure out what her problem was, and concluded briskly but professionally when we finally figured it out. Even if I *DID* think she was a total moron (grin), I never called her such.

But then, that's the difference between a professional, and the guys who sell Evidence Eliminator.

In the meantime, Scott, please do go to the end of the main page and do look at the list of alternatives to Evidence Eliminator.


John Bryant
Last modified: Wed Mar 13 14:36:35 EST 2002